Black pudding data collection thread

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Black pudding data collection thread

Post by Alrik » Thu May 01, 2008 6:01 pm

In case the black pudding fights are anything but random, let's collect some data. The theories we've heard range from "moon phases matter" to "increase combat boosters" to "increase your init as much as possible". Let's focus on moon phases and combat boosters for now.

If you're eating puddings, start with an empty stomach and post:

1. What the kingdom date is. (Available from http://www.noblesse-oblige.org/calendar/.)
2. What your +/- combat is.
3. A string composed of "p" and "F" where "p" stands for "pudding eaten" and "F" stands for "pudding fought".

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Post by Tzabor » Thu May 01, 2008 6:47 pm

Dougtember 5

no combat modifiers

p5 F0

Ascended

no combat modifiers

p5 F1


Dougtember 6

no modifiers

p5 F3


Dougtember 7

no modifiers

p5 F2

Dougtember 8

no modifiers

FppFpFpp

Jarlsuary 1

No modifiers

ppppp

Jarlsuary 2

no modifiers

pFppFFpp


Jarlsuary 3

No modifiers

pFFpppp

Jarlsuary 4

no modifiers

ppppp

Jarlsuary 5

No modifiers

used 6 full for salad tattoo

pFpp

Ascended

FpFFFFpppp

Jarlsuary 6

pFFppFpp

Jarlsuary 7

no modifiers

pFppFpFp

Jarlsuary 8

no modifiers

pFppFpp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Sat May 03, 2008 2:10 pm

1. Dougtember 7
2. +20% combat
3. ppppp

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Post by Alrik » Sun May 04, 2008 1:17 am

1. Dougtember 8
2. +0% combat
3. pppFpp

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Post by NitraMo » Sun May 04, 2008 11:26 am

1. Dougtember 8
2. +10% combat
3. ppFpFFppp
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Post by lostcalpolydude » Sun May 04, 2008 1:24 pm

1. Dougtember 8
2. +0% combat
3. pFpFpp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Sun May 04, 2008 2:30 pm

1. Dougtember 8
2. +20% combat
3. ppppp

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Post by lostcalpolydude » Mon May 05, 2008 2:24 am

Jarlsuary 1 (there is no Dougtember 9, apparently)
-19.8% combat (-25% combats, +26 ML)
FFFppFFpFFFpFp

If I can get 9 fights with -19.8% combats, it's unlikely that using +combats will make fights more likely. The opposite could be true, maybe.
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Post by NardoLoopa » Mon May 05, 2008 6:15 am

lostcalpolydude wrote:FFFppFFpFFFpFp


Holy crap. Lucky bastard.
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Post by ElroyJetson » Mon May 05, 2008 8:24 am

NOTE: You may need to exclude this datum, as my spading character finally has Olfaction and used it on the pudding. Olfaction noted with "(s)" following the fight.

1. Jarlsuary 1
2. +20% combat
3. ppF(s)ppFp

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Post by NitraMo » Mon May 05, 2008 8:42 am

1. Jarlsuary 1
2. +15% combat
3. ppFFpppp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Tue May 06, 2008 1:37 am

1. Jarlsuary 2
2. -18.9% Combat (Yendoran Finery + 15% Non-Combat)
3. ppppp

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Post by NitraMo » Tue May 06, 2008 2:28 pm

1. Jarlsuary 2
2. +15% combat
3. pppppp
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Post by lostcalpolydude » Tue May 06, 2008 4:18 pm

Jarlsuary 2
-15% combat
FppppFp
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Post by lostcalpolydude » Tue May 06, 2008 11:06 pm

Jarlsuary 3
-15% combat
pFFpppp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Wed May 07, 2008 5:12 pm

1. Jarlsuary 3
2. No +/- combat
3. F(s)ppFppFp

NOTES: +142 ML. Sniffed pudding on first fight.

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Post by deusnoctum » Wed May 07, 2008 8:49 pm

MCD@10, no other ML
no combat modifier

Jarlsuary 3
ppppFp

Jarlsuary 4
ppppFFp

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1. Jarlsuary 4
2. +10% combat
3. ppFFpppp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Thu May 08, 2008 12:37 pm

1. Jarlsuary 4
2. No +/- combat
3. ppFppFp

NOTES: +142 ML. On the Trail of pudding from previous day.

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Post by lostcalpolydude » Thu May 08, 2008 2:31 pm

Jarlsuary 4
-19.8% combat (after 26 ML)
FFppppFp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Fri May 09, 2008 4:04 pm

1. Jarlsuary 5
2. No +/- combat
3. ppFFFpFpp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by lostcalpolydude » Fri May 09, 2008 4:12 pm

Jarlsuary 5
-19.8% combat
ppppp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Sat May 10, 2008 6:55 pm

1. Jarlsuary 6
2. No +/- combat
3. ppppFp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by ElroyJetson » Sun May 11, 2008 1:40 am

1. Jarlsuary 7
2. No +/- combat
3. pFppFpFFFp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by ElroyJetson » Sun May 11, 2008 11:47 pm

1. Jarlsuary 8
2. No +/- combat
3. FpppFpp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by Alrik » Mon May 12, 2008 11:20 am

1. Jarlsuary 8
2. No +/- combat
3. ppppFp

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Post by ElroyJetson » Tue May 13, 2008 1:01 am

1. Frankruary 1
2. No +/- combat
3. pppFpp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by deusnoctum » Tue May 13, 2008 10:27 pm

Frankruary 1
No +combat, +64 ML

ppFpFFFpFFFp

:-D

Edit: Don't know if it matters at all, but rollover happened before I could eat to fullness last night--I used three or four puddings, and ate three (was in a rush, so I don't remember exactly)

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Post by ElroyJetson » Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 pm

1. Frankuary 2
2. No +/- combat
3. ppppp

NOTE: +142 ML

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Post by Alrik » Wed May 14, 2008 8:41 pm

deusnoctum wrote:Edit: Don't know if it matters at all, but rollover happened before I could eat to fullness last night--I used three or four puddings, and ate three (was in a rush, so I don't remember exactly)

Thanks for the warning!

So far ... far too little data to be sure, but nothing -- +/- combat, ML, or moons -- is popping out. I'll post a summary in a few days.

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Post by Manendra » Wed May 14, 2008 9:18 pm

Frankuary 2
-10% combat (Sonata/smooth)

FpFFppFpFp

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Post by ElroyJetson » Wed May 14, 2008 11:38 pm

1. Frankuary 3
2. No +/- combat
3. FppFppp

(+142 ML)

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Post by lostcalpolydude » Thu May 15, 2008 12:35 pm

Frankruary 3
No combat modifiers
pppp
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Post by ElroyJetson » Thu May 15, 2008 1:11 pm

No more spading on this from me, I'm afraid. My spading multi got the trophy. Woo hoo!

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Post by Mercenary9 » Sat May 17, 2008 12:45 am

Frankfuary 5
No +/- combat.
+60ish% init.
+50 ML
FFpppp (accidently ate a black forest cake in there )
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Frankfuary 5
No +/- combat.
+7 ML
pppFpp
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Post by lostcalpolydude » Mon May 19, 2008 5:01 pm

Frankruary 7
No +/- combat
+48 ML
FpFFpFpp

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Post by lostcalpolydude » Tue May 20, 2008 4:20 pm

Frankruary 8
No +/- combat
+48 ML
FpFFFppp

Got Milk was active
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Post by Tzabor » Sat May 24, 2008 6:55 pm

No combat modifiers

Frankruary 1
pFppFFpp

Frankruary 2
pppFpFp

Frankruary 3
FFpFpFppFp

Frankruary 4
pFFpppp

Frankruary 5
pFpppp

Frankruary 6
FpFpppp

Frankruary 7
ppppp

Frankruary 8
ppFFFFppFFFFp

Starch 1
FpFpFppp

Starch 2
Fppppp

Starch 3
ppFp (king cake)

Starch 4
Fppppp

Starch 5
FpFFFFpppp (Ascend) pFpppFp

Starch 6
ppFFFpFFpFFp

Starch 7
pFFpFppFFFp

Starch 8
ppFppp

April 1
pFpFppp

April2
FpFpFpFpp

April 3
pFpppp

April4
ppFppp (Ascend) ppppFp

April 5
ppFFFFpFpp

April 6
ppppp
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Post by dalgar » Thu May 29, 2008 8:51 pm

Anyone wanna parse my session logs for me for results to add here? If so, please PM me an email address. Thanks.

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Post by deusnoctum » Thu May 29, 2008 10:16 pm

dalgar wrote:Anyone wanna parse my session logs for me for results to add here? If so, please PM me an email address. Thanks.


I didn't think there'd be any interest in a parser similar to the one I wrote for divine items, but I'll try to modify it to work for black pudding, and maybe even integrate the two if I'm feeling ambitious.

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Post by Alrik » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:51 pm

April 6
+5 combat
No ML
pppp

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Post by Mercenary9 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:13 pm

April 7
No +ML
Hot blooded and demonic taint effects
I didn't calculate it for sure but i know i had at least 9 pudding fights today. At one point I got 6 in a row. I doubt that helps any but hey, 6 in a row!
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Post by Alrik » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:15 am

April 7
No +ML, no +/- combat
pFpFppp

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Martinus 3

FFpFppFFpp

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Martinus 4

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Post by MrJolly123 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:39 pm

Martinus 6

ppFppp
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Post by dalgar » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:14 pm

Alrik, are you able to summarize the data?

deusnoctum, have you had a chance to write a black pudding parser?

I'm interested in this data, which is why I ask. I have quite a bit of data to contribute, as well.

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Post by deusnoctum » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:52 pm

dalgar wrote:deusnoctum, have you had a chance to write a black pudding parser?


Actually, I'd forgotten about this--I'll add it to my to do list, and probably integrate it with my divine items parser.

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Post by Alrik » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:42 pm

dalgar wrote:Alrik, are you able to summarize the data?

Sure. If you want the spreadsheet, send me an email addy by kmail or forum PM.

Sample sizes are still small, but nothing really stands out if you look at moon fullness or combat modifiers.

Split by moon fullness:

Code: Select all

Moon fullness, fights, attempts, ratio
0,17,38,.354
1,-,-,-
2,27,82,.329
3,26,91,.286
4,22,70,.314
5,35,108,.324
6,36,110,.327
7,13,46,.283


I also looked at noncombat modifiers run. The only datapoint with any weight is at 0% modifiers:

Code: Select all

146,451,.324

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Post by Mad Hamish » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:18 am

pppFFpp
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ppppp

0% combats

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Post by Mad Hamish » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:55 pm

FppFppFp
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FppFpFpp
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Post by Mercenary9 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:19 am

So after all this do we have any idea of what increases chances of fighting a black pudding?
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Post by Alrik » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:39 am

Mercenary9 wrote:So after all this do we have any idea of what increases chances of fighting a black pudding?

The samples are still too small to make any definite claims, but I do not believe moon fullness, noncombats, or ML have an effect.

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Post by Brulak » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:47 pm

Finished with the trophy.
418 puddings eaten.

As this is a very very low number (estimates were around 480), there may be some hidden mechanic. Or I may just have been extremely lucky (didn't do the math on how likely this is with a flat 1/3 chance of encountering a fight). Whatever. More than half of my puddings were eaten while having a drunkenness of 19+, I have been eating almost every day. with and without ML - so moon phases and similar effects that vary from day to day should ahve averaged themselves out.

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Post by Turias » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:59 am

Frankruary 3
+20% combats
ppppp

Frankruary 4
+20% combats
ppppFp

Frankruary 5
+20% combats
pFpppp

Frankruary 8
+20% combats
pFpFFp

Bill 5
+20% combats
FFFFFpFpFpFpp

Bill 6
+20% combats
pFpppFp

Bor 4
+20% combats
FpFFpppp

Porktober 6
+20% combats
pp

Porktober 7
+20% combats
pppp

Boozember 7 (FoB)
+20% combats
pFpFppFppppFpFp

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Post by NardoLoopa » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:19 am

Maybe it's me, but for the last few days I've eaten Black Pudding with +117 ML and got approximately a 50% split on fights/eating. Which is much better than what I had before.
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Post by Oxbarn » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:34 pm

Brulak wrote:Finished with the trophy.
418 puddings eaten.

As this is a very very low number (estimates were around 480), there may be some hidden mechanic. Or I may just have been extremely lucky (didn't do the math on how likely this is with a flat 1/3 chance of encountering a fight). Whatever. More than half of my puddings were eaten while having a drunkenness of 19+, I have been eating almost every day. with and without ML - so moon phases and similar effects that vary from day to day should ahve averaged themselves out.

What's your rollover outfit like? For several days I thought I might be getting more puddings in a +PvP-fight outfit, but it seemed like probably just RNG. (I still think that's probably all it was, but doesn't hurt to check.)

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Post by Brulak » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:31 am

Oxbarn wrote:What's your rollover outfit like? For several days I thought I might be getting more puddings in a +PvP-fight outfit, but it seemed like probably just RNG. (I still think that's probably all it was, but doesn't hurt to check.)


My rollover outfit was simple +adventure stuff. Time gear, plexi watch, solitaire... I certainly did not wear anything else during my pudding-eating days. 25 fights usually is enough for me :)

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Post by Mad Hamish » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:15 am

Oxbarn wrote:What's your rollover outfit like? For several days I thought I might be getting more puddings in a +PvP-fight outfit, but it seemed like probably just RNG. (I still think that's probably all it was, but doesn't hurt to check.)
+PvP outfits don't seem to enhance pudding rate. I too have been having a rather high fight rate lately (7 fights on FoB with 18 fullness of puddings) but it hasn't had to do with whether or not I'm wearing my rollover gear. I've suffered many a 0-puddin'fight day with +19 fights equipped.
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Post by Pieces » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:29 pm

Running only the quartet +5% noncoms, since I'm in Bad Moon (pre-fighting NS).

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Post by feng shweez » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:38 pm

A little Iocaine birdy told me that there is a way to increase your fites, but it's a bug, not a feature.

I haven't tried it myself though.
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Post by Mad Hamish » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:20 pm

feng shweez wrote:A little Iocaine birdy told me that there is a way to increase your fites, but it's a bug, not a feature.

I haven't tried it myself though.
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Post by feng shweez » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:38 pm

I do what I can.

Given that I haven't tried to use the bug, and only heard it about it from a single source on...April 15th indicates that it's not my place to tell.

However, I figured by posting that, it would grief Iocaine Powder through lots of people PMing them about it.
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Post by Pieces » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:37 pm

FFpFFFFpppFFp

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Post by Mercenary9 » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:20 am

FppppFp

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