Beeps from ML in cranny

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Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27 am

http://kolspading.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 4178#p4178

Please add your high (+150?) ML data here. I'd like to figure out how much ML gives a 2-turn cranny (13 ML or higher).

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by FufuBunnySlayer » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:17 pm

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+ML               Beeps
263               16
263               16
Those are the only two data points that I have that I am sure about. I can't remember what all buffs I had running on less recent runs.
By 2-turn cranny, do you mean 1 turn for the rattling thing, then 1 turn for the boss?
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:48 pm

Nah, I meant 2 turns to get the boss. Then one for boss. 3 total. Edited for clarity.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:55 pm

Mai's data:
+196 ML (10 MCD) = 14
+224 ML (10 MCD) = 15

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by Mai » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:33 pm

Another data point:

+166 ML (10 MCD)= 13 beeps! Hooray!
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:49 am

Excellent. Looks like the cutoff is around 150-160 (I got 3x 12 at +148, no MCD)

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by top1214 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:34 am

lotsofphil wrote:Excellent. Looks like the cutoff is around 150-160 (I got 3x 12 at +148, no MCD)
It looks like beeps = ML/16, to me.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lostcalpolydude » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:09 am

Actually, I think beeps = sqrt(+ML), with weighted(?) random rounding. Every data point here and at KoLSpading matches that, except for very low ML which I feel comfortable justifying with max(3, sqrt(+ML)).
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:30 am

To nail this down, if someone can grab a fax of a swarm then leethal/smilegirl can fight it at super high ML. You have to do it in run and it costs a pull, so if you are being lazy, think about it. And stock your portable photocopier now :)

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by blisterguy » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:16 am

+232ML = 15 beeps.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 am

+241 ML (10 MCD) = 16, 16

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by Mai » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:28 am

+262 (10 MCD) = 16, 16
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by thacon » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:55 am

+200 (10 MCD) = 14, 14

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:42 pm

i copied a big swarm and faxed it to smilegirl. no beeps :(

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by FufuBunnySlayer » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:06 am

131 ML for 12 beeps
146 ML for 12 beeps
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:04 pm

139 ML (10 MCD) 12, 12

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lostcalpolydude » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:04 pm

Everything still agrees with sqrt(+ML). Unless someone is going to grab a swarm at +500 ML or something for verification, I doubt more data points are going to result in a change to the formula.
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by thacon » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:20 pm

Bentham hasn't done the crypt yet. I'll see how much ML I can get with him, but he likely doesn't have much in hagnk's.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by Mai » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:30 pm

472 ML (MCD 10) for 22 beeps

Not quite 500, but close enough?
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by FufuBunnySlayer » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:32 pm

o.O That's a lot of ML. I wonder if 625 is the magic number? I remember someone saying the crypt was doable with just one swarm of whelps in casual.
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:16 pm

Mai wrote:472 ML (MCD 10) for 22 beeps

Not quite 500, but close enough?
Yeah, case closed in my opinion.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:02 pm

Case reopened!! I think something weird is going on with MCD. I got 10 beeps from a +71 (11 from MCD) ML swarm.

Can someone fight a swarm with the MCD set to 9 and no other ML?

If I am right you'll get 4 or 5 beeps instead of the 3 expected.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by Fred Nefler » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:18 pm

lotsofphil wrote:Case reopened!! I think something weird is going on with MCD. I got 10 beeps from a +71 (11 from MCD) ML swarm.

Can someone fight a swarm with the MCD set to 9 and no other ML?

If I am right you'll get 4 or 5 beeps instead of the 3 expected.
I have a low-skill no-gear multi that had done a couple of HCBoris runs and only had the MCD for the cyrpt. At MCD 10 it got 4-5 beeps per swarm. That good enough, or does it really need to be 9?

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lostcalpolydude » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:01 pm

I'm pretty sure that when the MCD was standardized for many cases (so it counts for Oil Peak, affects monster init, and so on), it was made to count with other +ML in the cranny, but the special handling was left in place that made it count before, so now it counts double. With +60 ML and MCD at 11, double-counting it would give 82, and 10 is possible from that value.
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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by ungawa » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:05 pm

I'm post ronin in an abandoned Big run with an untouched crypt. If folk are interested in more data after rollover, I can kill some ghouls.
If the theory is the mcd is counting double, I could try with 5ML from gear and MCD set to 10 to see if I get exactly 5 beeps?

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:40 pm

Fred Nefler wrote: I have a low-skill no-gear multi that had done a couple of HCBoris runs and only had the MCD for the cyrpt. At MCD 10 it got 4-5 beeps per swarm. That good enough, or does it really need to be 9?
The 5 is good.
Ungawa, the data point you mention sounds good, too.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by ungawa » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:48 am

As predicted 5ML + 10MCD got 5 beeps. I went ahead and submitted a bug report.
I also checked the tavern at 290ML (including the MCD) and found a bunch of rats, so looks like it's not double counted there.

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:01 am

ungawa wrote:As predicted 5ML + 10MCD got 5 beeps. I went ahead and submitted a bug report.
I also checked the tavern at 290ML (including the MCD) and found a bunch of rats, so looks like it's not double counted there.
Thanks. I should have mentioned I filed a report earlier. But two reports that are *completely independent* will get things going even more! :)

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Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Post by lotsofphil » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:57 am

Got the "known issue, thanks for the report" reply from Gemelli.

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