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Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27 am
by lotsofphil
http://kolspading.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 4178#p4178

Please add your high (+150?) ML data here. I'd like to figure out how much ML gives a 2-turn cranny (13 ML or higher).

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:17 pm
by FufuBunnySlayer

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+ML               Beeps
263               16
263               16
Those are the only two data points that I have that I am sure about. I can't remember what all buffs I had running on less recent runs.
By 2-turn cranny, do you mean 1 turn for the rattling thing, then 1 turn for the boss?

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:48 pm
by lotsofphil
Nah, I meant 2 turns to get the boss. Then one for boss. 3 total. Edited for clarity.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:55 pm
by lotsofphil
Mai's data:
+196 ML (10 MCD) = 14
+224 ML (10 MCD) = 15

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:33 pm
by Mai
Another data point:

+166 ML (10 MCD)= 13 beeps! Hooray!

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:49 am
by lotsofphil
Excellent. Looks like the cutoff is around 150-160 (I got 3x 12 at +148, no MCD)

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:34 am
by top1214
lotsofphil wrote:Excellent. Looks like the cutoff is around 150-160 (I got 3x 12 at +148, no MCD)
It looks like beeps = ML/16, to me.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:09 am
by lostcalpolydude
Actually, I think beeps = sqrt(+ML), with weighted(?) random rounding. Every data point here and at KoLSpading matches that, except for very low ML which I feel comfortable justifying with max(3, sqrt(+ML)).

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:30 am
by lotsofphil
To nail this down, if someone can grab a fax of a swarm then leethal/smilegirl can fight it at super high ML. You have to do it in run and it costs a pull, so if you are being lazy, think about it. And stock your portable photocopier now :)

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:16 am
by blisterguy
+232ML = 15 beeps.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 am
by lotsofphil
+241 ML (10 MCD) = 16, 16

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:28 am
by Mai
+262 (10 MCD) = 16, 16

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:55 am
by thacon
+200 (10 MCD) = 14, 14

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:42 pm
by lotsofphil
i copied a big swarm and faxed it to smilegirl. no beeps :(

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:06 am
by FufuBunnySlayer
131 ML for 12 beeps
146 ML for 12 beeps

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:04 pm
by lotsofphil
139 ML (10 MCD) 12, 12

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:04 pm
by lostcalpolydude
Everything still agrees with sqrt(+ML). Unless someone is going to grab a swarm at +500 ML or something for verification, I doubt more data points are going to result in a change to the formula.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:20 pm
by thacon
Bentham hasn't done the crypt yet. I'll see how much ML I can get with him, but he likely doesn't have much in hagnk's.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:30 pm
by Mai
472 ML (MCD 10) for 22 beeps

Not quite 500, but close enough?

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:32 pm
by FufuBunnySlayer
o.O That's a lot of ML. I wonder if 625 is the magic number? I remember someone saying the crypt was doable with just one swarm of whelps in casual.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:16 pm
by lotsofphil
Mai wrote:472 ML (MCD 10) for 22 beeps

Not quite 500, but close enough?
Yeah, case closed in my opinion.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:02 pm
by lotsofphil
Case reopened!! I think something weird is going on with MCD. I got 10 beeps from a +71 (11 from MCD) ML swarm.

Can someone fight a swarm with the MCD set to 9 and no other ML?

If I am right you'll get 4 or 5 beeps instead of the 3 expected.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:18 pm
by Fred Nefler
lotsofphil wrote:Case reopened!! I think something weird is going on with MCD. I got 10 beeps from a +71 (11 from MCD) ML swarm.

Can someone fight a swarm with the MCD set to 9 and no other ML?

If I am right you'll get 4 or 5 beeps instead of the 3 expected.
I have a low-skill no-gear multi that had done a couple of HCBoris runs and only had the MCD for the cyrpt. At MCD 10 it got 4-5 beeps per swarm. That good enough, or does it really need to be 9?

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:01 pm
by lostcalpolydude
I'm pretty sure that when the MCD was standardized for many cases (so it counts for Oil Peak, affects monster init, and so on), it was made to count with other +ML in the cranny, but the special handling was left in place that made it count before, so now it counts double. With +60 ML and MCD at 11, double-counting it would give 82, and 10 is possible from that value.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:05 pm
by ungawa
I'm post ronin in an abandoned Big run with an untouched crypt. If folk are interested in more data after rollover, I can kill some ghouls.
If the theory is the mcd is counting double, I could try with 5ML from gear and MCD set to 10 to see if I get exactly 5 beeps?

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:40 pm
by lotsofphil
Fred Nefler wrote: I have a low-skill no-gear multi that had done a couple of HCBoris runs and only had the MCD for the cyrpt. At MCD 10 it got 4-5 beeps per swarm. That good enough, or does it really need to be 9?
The 5 is good.
Ungawa, the data point you mention sounds good, too.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:48 am
by ungawa
As predicted 5ML + 10MCD got 5 beeps. I went ahead and submitted a bug report.
I also checked the tavern at 290ML (including the MCD) and found a bunch of rats, so looks like it's not double counted there.

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:01 am
by lotsofphil
ungawa wrote:As predicted 5ML + 10MCD got 5 beeps. I went ahead and submitted a bug report.
I also checked the tavern at 290ML (including the MCD) and found a bunch of rats, so looks like it's not double counted there.
Thanks. I should have mentioned I filed a report earlier. But two reports that are *completely independent* will get things going even more! :)

Re: Beeps from ML in cranny

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:57 am
by lotsofphil
Got the "known issue, thanks for the report" reply from Gemelli.