Slaw's 2/576 HCEd (This is where I usually type comments!)

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:51 pm

I did a run, so here's a log.

Overall, this run has a lot of mediocre RNG and some highly suspect strategies. There should be a lot of room for improvement in the plan and execution, so I'm expecting big things from you, log reader! Please ask questions or comment if something seems inexplicable or just obviously incorrect to do; examples of constructive comments and critiques are included early in the log (i.e. ctrl+f 'cannon').

NEW Ed Hardcore Actually Ed the Undying ASCENSION STARTED 20150308
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===Day 1===

The goal of this run was just to do a 2 day HCEd run, so stop reading here if turnbloat offends your sensibilities.

For the pre run stuff, I take the xi receiver to maximize ultra-burrito consumption and +10% item accessory having-ness, blender to maximize turnbloat, belt to maximize turns not spent leveling, bram because I hate noncombats and the song set and because I haven't seen anything else reasonable [No, I don't think mountain man is a thing.], and pilsners because I want them to be my favorite booze eventually and because distention pills aren't standard or Edcessible (get it? ha!).

Starting with all the skills, imbues, and iotms, for what it's worth. Familiar plan revolves around not getting fucked like last run: 1 priest (level 3), 5 scribe (level 6), 4 cat (level 9), 0 bellydancer (level 12). I think these are correct with the exception of the bellydancer which is taken solely out of a well-justified fear of the lash limit; missing daycount by 1 turn due to an invisible counter being hard to track is probably my worst experience with KoL, so I'd recommend avoiding it if possible.

As for ka purchases, all the consumption skills and the DA skill on day 1 followed by the survival skills on day 2. Note that the +init% skills are taken solely for the alcove and aren't actually good at all.

[0] Ascension Start [0,0,0]
-> Turn [0] none

Note that this is the point where I knew this run would be a 2 dayer, since I got 5 porquoise gems. They are the best gems for Blender HCEd (due to +item/meat/moxie), and pork gem yahtzees are +50 ascension points.

[1-24] The Secret Government Laboratory [676,1704,625] (Ka: 61)
+> [2] Got first-aid pouch
+> [7] Got Coinspiracy
+> [8] Got first-aid pouch
+> [11] Got Xiblaxian circuitry
+> [14] Got giant yellow hat
+> [15] Got Coinspiracy
+> [17] Got delicious candy
+> [19] Got limp broccoli
+> [24] Got ten-leaf clover
*> [10] Started hunting government scientist
*> [13] Started hunting creepy little girl
*> [22] Started hunting government scientist
-> Turn [2] Priest
-> Turn [20] Scribe
-> Turn [21] Priest
=> Level 2 (Turn 2)! (5/8/4)
=> Level 3 (Turn 2)! (5/8/4)
=> Level 4 (Turn 4)! (8/14/8)
=> Level 5 (Turn 7)! (13/20/12)
=> Level 6 (Turn 13)! (18/29/17)
=> Level 7 (Turn 23)! (25/40/24)

Cannonfire40: [1-24] The Secret Government Laboratory
Cannonfire40: Terrible.
YOJimbOS_law:

YoJiMBos_LAw: just wait, it gets worse.
Cannonfire40: Come on, with ed hat you don't need nearly that much.

You're welcome to believe cannonfire about this. I mean, it's a free country, man. However, I believe he's actually a butt that can't even the HC good.

Please kmail, pm, or chat in /hardcore and /butts about alternatives to this so I can tell them to people that ask me for advice instead of saying 'Oh, I just sewer level for 40 turns and then play a BIG run'.

[25] Guano Junction [0,0,0]
+> [25] Got sonar-in-a-biscuit, sonar-in-a-biscuit

Decent clover for conserving renens and lashes and turns and YRs.

[26] The Beanbat Chamber [9,25,7] (Ka: 2)
+> [26] Got enchanted bean, sonar-in-a-biscuit, talisman of Renenutet
o> Used 3 mummified beef haunch (75 adventures gained) [24,22,21]

Lash too strong.

[27-31] The Boss Bat's Lair [36,159,35] (Ka: 10)
+> [28] Got Xiblaxian alloy
[32-38] The Shore, Inc. Travel Agency [0,158,0]
+> [32] Got Shore Inc. Ship Trip Scrip
+> [35] Got Shore Inc. Ship Trip Scrip
+> [38] Got Shore Inc. Ship Trip Scrip
[41] Hippy Camp [7,33,6] (Ka: 3)
+> [41] Got filthy corduroys, filthy knitted dread sack, reodorant
}> [41] Disintegrated filthy hippy jewelry maker

I prefer the YR here to the level 9 NCs because reodorant is legit.

[42] The Boss Bat's Lair [9,31,7] (Ka: 1)
+> [42] Got Boss Bat britches, batskin belt
[43-58] The Secret Government Laboratory [436,1248,493] (Ka: 44)
+> [43] Got Coinspiracy
+> [44] Got Coinspiracy
+> [46] Got Coinspiracy
+> [48] Got Coinspiracy, limp broccoli
+> [50] Got Coinspiracy
+> [57] Got Coinspiracy
+> [58] Got Xiblaxian circuitry
o> Drank 1 Lucky Lindy (9 adventures gained) [0,0,0]
=> Level 8 (Turn 51)! (31/53/31)

Cannonfire40: [43-58] The Secret Government Laboratory
Cannonfire40: I hate you.
yOjImBos_laW: hahahaha
YOJIMBoS_law: 40 is a nice round number.
yoJImBoS_lAW: so I spent 40 turns there.
yOjImbOS_LAW: btw, can I post your CI thoughts in my annotated log?
Cannonfire40: Yes.
Cannonfire40: Please do
Cannonfire40: That you spend that many turns there is awful
Cannonfire40: and completely fucking unacceptable

Another valuable counterpoint to CIwer leveling. Cannon has a point: 40 turns is a lot. Cutting this down to 20-30 could work, but I won't be bothering to try.

[59-69] The Outskirts of Cobb's Knob [42,191,48] (Ka: 16)
+> [59] Got talisman of Renenutet
+> [62] Got Knob Goblin firecracker
+> [69] Got Knob Goblin encryption key
[70] The Spooky Forest [4,22,12] (Ka: 3)
*> [70] Started hunting wolfman
[71] Chateau Painting [16,39,15]
#> [71] Semirare: Bram the Stoker
[72] The Haunted Pantry [0,0,0]
#> [72] Semirare: The Pilsbury Doughjerk

Yay turngen! replace this with a forced lunchbox or something productive if your idea of fun is chaining a lot of failed 2 day attempts for a good, low-turncount 2 dayer.

[73-97] The Spooky Forest [109,490,230] (Ka: 35)
+> [74] Got anticheese, ten-leaf clover, ten-leaf clover, worthless gewgaw
+> [78] Got mosquito larva
+> [83] Got spooky sapling
+> [90] Got Xiblaxian polymer
+> [91] Got tree-holed coin
+> [96] Got Spooky-Gro fertilizer
+> [97] Got Spooky Temple map
o> Drank 1 Lucky Lindy (3 adventures gained) [0,0,0]
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (24 adventures gained) [8,6,5]
o> Ate 1 sleeping dog (9 adventures gained) [0,0,0]
o> Ate 3 tasty tart (18 adventures gained) [16,19,16]

Is this real life? Started losing faith in the pork gem Yahtzee here.

[98-105] The Obligatory Pirate's Cove [21,106,59] (Ka: 9)
+> [98] Got stuffed shoulder parrot
+> [100] Got bottle of rum
+> [101] Got eyepatch
+> [105] Got swashbuckling pants
[106-108] The Degrassi Knoll Garage [19,43,12] (Ka: 4)
+> [106] Got tires
+> [107] Got Gnollish toolbox
[109-110] The Degrassi Knoll Gym [7,24,6] (Ka: 2)
+> [109] Got talisman of Horus, talisman of Renenutet
-> Turn [110] Scribe

Knoll turnbloat isn't so bad. I plan to use a renen on the skirt, but (as with basically every renen target barring the f'c'le and clues) I lash first to try to save the renen and succeed. Just a small thing that probably ends up netting you 2-4 extra renens, effectively, each run.

[111] The Dark Heart of the Woods [0,0,0]
[112-121] The Dark Neck of the Woods [86,277,83]
+> [112] Got Imp Ale, hot wing
+> [115] Got Imp Ale
+> [116] Got hellion cube
+> [117] Got imp unity ring
+> [118] Got Imp Ale, wussiness potion
+> [119] Got hellion cube
+> [120] Got ruby W
[122] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,441,0]
-> Turn [122] Cat
=> Level 9 (Turn 122)! (39/70/40)
[122] The Dark Neck of the Woods [0,0,0]
+> [122] Got dodecagram
[123-127] The Dark Heart of the Woods [16,53,24]
+> [123] Got Imp Ale, hot wing
+> [124] Got hot plate
+> [125] Got Imp Ale
+> [127] Got box of birthday candles
[128-133] The Dark Elbow of the Woods [64,166,51] (Ka: 1)
+> [128] Got Imp Ale
+> [129] Got Imp Ale x 3
+> [131] Got Imp Ale, hot wing
+> [133] Got Imp Ale, long hard screw x 5, messy butt joint x 4, morningwood plank x 5
+> [133] Got raging hardwood plank x 5, thick caulk x 4, weirdwood plank x 5

Just the friars being the friars and a bridge being some number between 12 and 15 (it's pretty much irrelevant which it is since I intend to spend 21 turns there regardless).

[135] Barrrney's Barrr [9,29,11] (Ka: 3)
-> Turn [134] Priest
-> Turn [135] Cat
[136] The Defiled Niche [10,30,10] (Ka: 1)
*> [136] Started hunting dirty old lihc
-> Turn [136] Priest
[137-138] Barrrney's Barrr [26,56,22] (Ka: 6)
-> Turn [138] Cat
[139-148] The Defiled Niche [105,382,104] (Ka: 3)
+> [142] Got Xiblaxian alloy
-> Turn [148] Priest

This weird hopping around between the barrr and niche is just to swap in my ed hat and die for effectively a full heal between insults whenever I wouldn't otherwise be able to insult the first pirate on my first life. HCEd is fiddly as all hell. Also burning a horus talisman which I used while collecting insults before heading back for the cap'm's map with -combat% running.

[149] Barrrney's Barrr [0,0,0]
[150] Cap'm Caronch's Map [17,35,9] (Ka: 2)
[151] Barrrney's Barrr [0,0,0]
[152-153] The Infiltrationist [0,0,0]
[154-157] Barrrney's Barrr [0,0,0]
[158-165] The Smut Orc Logging Camp [73,239,73] (Ka: 14)
+> [158] Got messy butt joint
+> [159] Got long hard screw
+> [161] Got raging hardwood plank
+> [162] Got messy butt joint, messy butt joint
+> [163] Got morningwood plank
+> [164] Got long hard screw, morningwood plank
+> [165] Got thick caulk
*> [158] Started hunting smut orc nailer
[166] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,111,0]
[166-178] The Smut Orc Logging Camp [131,388,136] (Ka: 24)
+> [166] Got messy butt joint, weirdwood plank
+> [167] Got morningwood plank, thick caulk
+> [168] Got morningwood plank
+> [169] Got raging hardwood plank, weirdwood plank
+> [170] Got morningwood plank, raging hardwood plank
+> [171] Got long hard screw
+> [172] Got messy butt joint
+> [173] Got messy butt joint, morningwood plank
+> [175] Got long hard screw
+> [176] Got long hard screw, raging hardwood plank
+> [177] Got long hard screw
+> [178] Got smut orc keepsake box
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (25 adventures gained) [7,7,10]

Just running the priest here for more ka, and not lashing because lashing would save literally no turns in this case. Literally 'literally'.

[179] Oil Peak [0,0,0]
*> [179] Started hunting bearpig topiary animal
[179] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,221,0]
[179-185] Twin Peak [75,219,66] (Ka: 15)
+> [182] Got rusty hedge trimmers
+> [183] Got badge of authority
+> [184] Got rusty hedge trimmers
+> [185] Got rusty hedge trimmers

Doing this day 1 to try for the badge before my lashes get constrained by day 2 stuff. Bad NC RNG let me basically finish this today.

[186] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,221,0]
o> Drank 2 astral pilsner (20 adventures gained) [19,24,25]
-> Turn [186] Cat
[186-212] The Penultimate Fantasy Airship [267,743,269] (Ka: 36)
+> [190] Got photoprotoneutron torpedo
+> [191] Got Mohawk wig
+> [192] Got metallic A
+> [193] Got amulet of extreme plot significance
+> [195] Got soft green echo eyedrop antidote
+> [196] Got titanium assault umbrella
+> [198] Got Tissue Paper Immateria
+> [200] Got Tin Foil Immateria
+> [202] Got ocarina of space
+> [203] Got talisman of Renenutet x 4
+> [204] Got Gauze Immateria
+> [206] Got Plastic Wrap Immateria
+> [211] Got soft green echo eyedrop antidote
+> [212] Got S.O.C.K.
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (23 adventures gained) [6,6,5]
*> [191] Started hunting Burly Sidekick
*> [193] Started hunting Quiet Healer
*> [197] Started hunting Protagonist
*> [211] Started hunting Quiet Healer
-> Turn [192] Priest
=> Level 10 (Turn 187)! (45/85/47)

lashing and sniffing for quest equipment and the ocarina of stats. +2 stats/fight helps.

[213-214] The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky (Basement) [14,48,14] (Ka: 2)
+> [213] Got heavy D, original G
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (23 adventures gained) [6,9,8]
[215] Cook 1 jug of Gnomochloric acid + 1 porquoise [0,0,0]
[215] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,111,0]
[215-225] The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky (Ground Floor) [150,302,113] (Ka: 14)
o> Used 1 very overdue library book [53,55,73]
*> [217] Started hunting Renaissance Giant
}> [221] Disintegrated Renaissance Giant
-> Turn [225] Scribe

YR'd for a nightcap that dropped immediately afterwards because I didn't feel like YRing anything else.

[226-227] The Dark Elbow of the Woods [8,39,15]
+> [227] Got eldritch butterknife
-> Turn [227] Cat
[228] Friar Ceremony Location [0,0,0]
[228-230] Cobb's Knob Harem [16,61,22] (Ka: 2)
+> [228] Got Cobb's Knob lab key
+> [230] Got Knob Goblin harem pants, Knob Goblin harem veil, Xiblaxian alloy
-> Turn [230] Priest
[231] Throne Room [18,68,21] (Ka: 2)
+> [231] Got Crown of the Goblin King
-> Turn [231] Cat
[232-236] The Goatlet [32,141,45] (Ka: 4)
+> [232] Got talisman of Horus
+> [233] Got goat cheese
+> [235] Got goat cheese
+> [236] Got glass of goat's milk, goat cheese
*> [233] Started hunting dairy goat
-> Turn [236] Priest
[237-238] The F'c'le [28,69,27] (Ka: 6)
+> [238] Got mizzenmast mop, ten-leaf clover, ten-leaf clover, worthless knick-knack
o> Drank 1 Ye Olde Meade (14 adventures gained) [27,27,27]

Ka earned today: 325

===Day 2===
Adventure count at day start: 88
Current meat: 3570

[239-243] The F'c'le [32,118,50] (Ka: 9)
+> [239] Got talisman of Horus
+> [241] Got rigging shampoo
+> [242] Got ball polish
+> [243] Got ten-leaf clover x 3
[244-246] Itznotyerzitz Mine [0,0,0]
+> [244] Got asbestos ore, chrome ore, linoleum ore
+> [245] Got asbestos ore, chrome ore, linoleum ore
+> [246] Got Xiblaxian ultraburrito, asbestos ore, chrome ore, linoleum ore
o> Ate 1 Xiblaxian ultraburrito (19 adventures gained) [50,56,50]

Mountain man still isn't really a thing, in my opinion.

[247] Pump Up Moxie [0,0,0]

what?

[247-249] Lair of the Ninja Snowmen [34,118,50] (Ka: 6)
+> [248] Got talisman of Horus
[250] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,442,0]
[250] Lair of the Ninja Snowmen [11,42,16] (Ka: 2)
+> [250] Got frigid ninja stars
[251] The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky (Top Floor) [0,0,0]
#> [251] Semirare: All The Rave
[252-273] Lair of the Ninja Snowmen [314,909,350] (Ka: 44)
+> [258] Got ninja rope
+> [264] Got talisman of Horus
+> [268] Got ninja crampons
+> [273] Got ninja carabiner
-> Turn [273] Cat

Yeah, assassins can eat a dick. 26 turns with +20% combat here almost made me casual drop. I kept playing since a 5-10 turn LFM could (and eventually did) salvage the run.

[274] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,110,0]
=> Level 11 (Turn 274)! (56/104/58)
[274-276] The Black Forest [29,85,49] (Ka: 2)
+> [275] Got Black No. 2, broken wings
+> [276] Got black picnic basket, talisman of Horus
[277] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,111,0]
-> Turn [277] Priest
[277-284] The Black Forest [106,292,177] (Ka: 15)
+> [277] Got adder bladder, sunken eyes
+> [284] Got blackberry galoshes
o> Drank 4 astral pilsner (49 adventures gained) [32,47,25]
}> [279] Disintegrated All Over the Map

Not sure if YRing the blackberry bush is good or not if you get fast galoshes. I mean, it probably saves 1-3 turns, but whatever.

[285-294] The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky (Top Floor) [143,394,122] (Ka: 18)

More awful RNG.

[296-299] Mist-Shrouded Peak [73,175,77] (Ka: 8)
+> [299] Got handsomeness potion
[300-304] The Defiled Cranny [72,244,79] (Ka: 1)
-> Turn [301] Scribe
-> Turn [304] Priest
[305-307] The Black Forest [40,126,83] (Ka: 6)
[308] The Shore, Inc. Travel Agency [0,0,0]
[311-317] The Haunted Kitchen [77,239,74] (Ka: 1)
+> [313] Got leftovers of indeterminate origin
+> [317] Got Spookyraven billiards room key
-> Turn [310] Scribe

Waited until now to get all of the elemental resistance skills and black paint.

[318-321] The Haunted Billiards Room [21,61,30] (Ka: 1)
+> [319] Got pool cue
[322-328] The Haunted Library [68,212,69]
+> [322] Got talisman of Renenutet x 4, tattered scrap of paper
+> [324] Got disintegrating quill pen, inkwell
+> [328] Got Lady Spookyraven's necklace, ghost of a necklace
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (27 adventures gained) [8,7,7]
*> [324] Started hunting writing desk
-> Turn [328] Priest
[329-334] The Haunted Gallery [59,168,69] (Ka: 8)
+> [334] Got Lady Spookyraven's dancing shoes
*> [332] Started hunting guy with a pitchfork, and his wife
-> Turn [334] Scribe

Didn't lash or YR for the snake sword+shield since I already had +23ML worth of lashed gear (goth shirt, curmudgel, badge of authority).

[335-343] The Haunted Bathroom [129,346,132]
+> [342] Got fancy bath salts
+> [343] Got Lady Spookyraven's powder puff
[344-345] The Haunted Bedroom [10,46,122]
+> [345] Got talisman of Renenutet x 3
[346] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,220,0]
[346-352] The Haunted Bedroom [94,294,196]
+> [346] Got Lord Spookyraven's spectacles
+> [350] Got Lady Spookyraven's finest gown
+> [352] Got disposable instant camera
[353-359] The Haunted Ballroom [145,281,160]
+> [358] Got dance card
-> Turn [359] Priest

Set song to +5ML.

[360] Rest in your bed in the Chateau [0,221,0]
[360-362] The Poop Deck [28,77,41] (Ka: 6)
[363-366] Belowdecks [40,149,54] (Ka: 9)
+> [364] Got gaudy key, snakehead charrrm
+> [366] Got gaudy key, snakehead charrrm
*> [364] Started hunting gaudy pirate
[367-377] Inside the Palindome [120,318,121] (Ka: 19)
+> [367] Got photograph of an ostrich egg
+> [369] Got photograph of a red nugget
+> [370] Got ketchup hound, photograph of a dog, stunt nuts
+> [375] Got photograph of God
o> Used 2 mummified beef haunch (50 adventures gained) [11,17,13]
o> Ate 1 optimal dog (5 adventures gained) [0,0,0]
*> [368] Started hunting Drab Bard
-> Turn [377] Cat
[378] The Hidden Temple [12,46,12]
#> [378] Semirare: Baa'baa'bu'ran
+> [378] Got stone wool x 3

baa gets a renen for the turngen and +3 inhaler duration afforded by the third wool.

[379] Pump Up Moxie [0,0,0]

Oh, right. this is me using '/go gnome' to buy skills and stuff. It takes you to the moxie trainer because that's how words work.

[379-384] The Haunted Wine Cellar [85,246,105] (Ka: 4)
+> [384] Got bottle of Chateau de Vinegar
*> [381] Started hunting possessed wine rack

Bad.

[385-389] The Haunted Laundry Room [72,196,63]
+> [386] Got talisman of Horus
+> [388] Got Xiblaxian circuitry
+> [389] Got blasting soda
*> [385] Started hunting the cabinet of Dr. Limpieza

Also bad and renen'd.

[390] Cook 1 bottle of Chateau de Vinegar + 1 blasting soda [0,0,0]
-> Turn [390] Scribe
[391] The Haunted Boiler Room [23,41,26]
+> [391] Got wine bomb
[392-394] The Defiled Nook [42,108,40] (Ka: 2)
+> [392] Got evil eye, loose teeth, loose teeth, skeleton bone
+> [393] Got evil eye, skeleton bone, smart skull
+> [394] Got evil eye, skeleton bone, smart skull
-> Turn [393] Cat
-> Turn [394] Belly-Dancer

Renening for these. Had to save 2 renens for a-boo, so the rest are done with ~+270% item, and I missed one eye total.

[395] Frat House [16,55,13] (Ka: 1)
+> [395] Got beer helmet, bejeweled pledge pin, distressed denim pants
}> [395] Disintegrated War Pledge
=> Level 12 (Turn 395)! (68/125/73)
[396] Hippy Camp [10,49,18] (Ka: 2)
+> [396] Got talisman of Horus
[397-399] Wartime Hippy Camp (Frat Disguise) [37,88,31] (Ka: 4)
*> [398] Started hunting War Hippy drill sergeant
[400-403] The Hidden Temple [0,0,0]
[404-410] The Hidden Park [76,199,60] (Ka: 6)
+> [404] Got pygmy blowgun
+> [408] Got book of matches
+> [409] Got bowling ball
+> [410] Got antique machete
*> [408] Started hunting pygmy janitor

Banished janitor, got a natural book of matches, and tried for a surgical piece but only got a bowling ball.

[411] An Overgrown Shrine (Northwest) [0,0,4]
[412] An Overgrown Shrine (Southwest) [0,0,0]
[413] An Overgrown Shrine (Southeast) [0,0,0]
[414] An Overgrown Shrine (Northeast) [0,0,0]
-> Turn [414] Cat
[415] A Massive Ziggurat [5,0,0]
[415-419] The Hidden Bowling Alley [63,223,65] (Ka: 10)
+> [416] Got bowling ball
+> [417] Got bowling ball
+> [418] Got bowling ball x 4
+> [419] Got bowling ball x 5
*> [416] Started hunting pygmy bowler
-> Turn [419] Belly-Dancer

Closeting shenanigans. No real reason for it this run, unlike most.

[420-424] The Hidden Hospital [85,234,90] (Ka: 9)
+> [420] Got surgical mask
+> [421] Got head mirror
+> [423] Got half-size scalpel
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (27 adventures gained) [7,11,8]
*> [420] Started hunting pygmy witch surgeon
*> [420] Started hunting pygmy witch surgeon
[425] An Overgrown Shrine (Southwest) [0,0,0]
[425-429] The Hidden Bowling Alley [101,144,113]
+> [429] Got talisman of Horus
[430] An Overgrown Shrine (Southeast) [0,0,0]
[430-439] Sonofa Beach [119,379,85] (Ka: 5)
+> [431] Got barrel of gunpowder
+> [433] Got barrel of gunpowder
+> [434] Got barrel of gunpowder
+> [437] Got barrel of gunpowder
+> [439] Got barrel of gunpowder

Great beach except that barrel #3 dropped on turn 434 isntead of 435, which ruined the odd turncount patterning. Dropping in response was not considered.

[440-448] The Hidden Apartment Building [144,481,148] (Ka: 16)
+> [443] Got McClusky file (page 1)
+> [444] Got McClusky file (page 2)
+> [446] Got McClusky file (page 3)
*> [443] Started hunting pygmy witch accountant

I don't banish the attorneys since I intend to lash them for free runs.

[449] An Overgrown Shrine (Northwest) [0,0,0]
[449] Next to that Barrel with Something Burning in it [0,0,0]
[450] Cook 1 porquoise + 1 jug of Gnomochloric acid [0,0,0]
[450-451] Next to that Barrel with Something Burning in it [34,101,35] (Ka: 2)
+> [451] Got molybdenum hammer
[452] Out by that Rusted-Out Car [19,51,15] (Ka: 1)
+> [452] Got molybdenum screwdriver
-> Turn [452] Scribe
[453-454] Over Where the Old Tires Are [19,51,23] (Ka: 1)
+> [454] Got molybdenum crescent wrench
[455-456] Near an Abandoned Refrigerator [30,121,36] (Ka: 2)
+> [456] Got molybdenum pliers
-> Turn [456] Belly-Dancer

I do the whole optimal banishing thing. It's minor.

[457] The Hatching Chamber [16,63,8] (Ka: 1)
[458] The Feeding Chamber [18,48,22] (Ka: 1)
[459] The Royal Guard Chamber [18,51,19] (Ka: 1)
-> Turn [459] Cat
[460-461] A-Boo Peak [12,31,12]
+> [461] Got A-Boo clue, Polysniff Perfume

Definitely got 2 clues here. Used 2 renens and ran ~+270% item to cap them.

[462-465] The Defiled Nook [26,145,36]
+> [462] Got evil eye, loose teeth, skeleton bone
+> [463] Got loose teeth, skeleton bone
+> [464] Got Xiblaxian alloy, evil eye, skeleton bone, smart skull
+> [465] Got evil eye, loose teeth

Burned my extra +item% buffs.

[466-470] Oil Peak [81,210,60]
+> [466] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [467] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [468] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [469] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [470] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude, jar of oil
-> Turn [470] Belly-Dancer

lots of lashes with ~+220% item.

[471-478] The Hidden Office Building [101,303,101] (Ka: 12)
+> [471] Got McClusky file (page 4)
+> [472] Got world's smallest violin
+> [473] Got McClusky file (page 5)
+> [475] Got McClusky file (complete), boring binder clip
o> Used 1 mummified beef haunch (25 adventures gained) [9,10,6]
-> Turn [478] Scribe

Too few free runs gotten

[479] A-Boo Peak [0,0,0]
[480] The Hidden Office Building [18,56,18] (Ka: 2)
[481-483] A-Boo Peak [0,0,0]
+> [481] Got ten-leaf clover
+> [482] Got A-Boo clue, A-Boo clue

Alternating a-boo clues with other junk to refill hp.

[484] The Hidden Office Building [17,57,20]
[485] An Overgrown Shrine (Northeast) [0,0,0]
[485-486] A-Boo Peak [0,0,0]
[487] A Massive Ziggurat [0,0,0]
[488-491] rusty hedge trimmers [0,0,0]
[492] A Massive Ziggurat [0,0,0]
[492] Summoning Chamber [0,0,0]
[492] The Defiled Nook [21,68,19]
+> [492] Got skeleton bone, skeleton bone
[493] Pump Up Moxie [0,0,0]
[493] The Filthworm Queen's Chamber [23,59,17] (Ka: 1)
[494-495] The Battlefield (Frat Uniform) [17,51,31] (Ka: 2)
+> [495] Got bullet-proof corduroys, reinforced beaded headband, round purple sunglasses
}> [495] Disintegrated War Hippy Rigger

Spending a turn here to YR for the outfit and preemptively kill the last 8 hippies of the war. If the monster encountered couldn't drop the outfit, I would've headed to the desert for it.

[496] Cook 1 jug of Gnomochloric acid + 1 porquoise [0,0,0]
[496] The Themthar Hills [24,50,18] (Ka: 2)
[497] The Hidden Temple [0,0,0]
[497-513] The Themthar Hills [289,917,312] (Ka: 34)

nuns sans maid is kind of slow, but not so bad. Maid only saves like 4 turns max (with an imbue).

[514] Chateau Painting [17,64,13] (Ka: 2)
[515-547] The Battlefield (Frat Uniform) [689,1937,700] (Ka: 66)
+> [542] Got gas balloon
o> Used 2 mummified beef haunch (47 adventures gained) [15,16,13]
*> [530] Started hunting Green Ops Soldier
-> Turn [530] Cat
-> Turn [547] Priest
=> Level 13 (Turn 547)! (82/148/86)

lashing and olfacting for green smoke bombs.

[548-555] Tavern Cellar [33,117,26] (Ka: 10)
+> [555] Got Typical Tavern swill x 3, marzipan skull, marzipan skull
&> 1 / 1 free retreats

Can only get +20 spooky/hot/stench, but only find 1 NC anyway.

[556-561] The Defiled Alcove [62,182,59]
+> [561] Got loose teeth

1 regular zombie, 4 moderns, 5 lovebug triggers. Made me so happy.

[562] The Big Wisniewski [53,185,68] (Ka: 3)
[563] Haert of the Cyrpt [29,96,23]
+> [563] Got chest of the Bonerdagon, skull of the Bonerdagon, vertebra of the Bonerdagon
[564] The Naughty Sorceress' Chamber [21,54,24] (Ka: 3)
-> Turn [564] Belly-Dancer
[565-576] The Secret Council Warehouse [154,408,135] (Ka: 18)
+> [576] Got Holy MacGuffin
*> [571] Started hunting warehouse clerk

Lots of bellydancer pickpocketing and done. I bought a mummified fig in case I needed to use my still-beating spleen for +3 turngen, but I ended with 2 turns left without using it, so yeah.

Ka earned today: 378

Turn rundown finished!

scullyangel · Post by **scullyangel** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:48 am

You said in chat I could ask all the bad questions. Please excuse the cluelessness that may be coming - your "turn bloat" run is like 60 turns less than my "as fast as I can go", so I'm looking to figure out what horrible habits I have and if there are things I simply don't know about.

- Did you push a button in the hatch before you started running in the lab? If yes, which one?

- If you had gotten the keycard while on CI would you have nightcapped with a Highest Bitter?

- How do you set your Ed crown?

- Why the Beanbat instead of Batrat? Does it matter?

~~Comment: Literally? Lash doesn't work on bridge parts? FML. How can I not notice something like 20 lash attempts not working?~~
Thanks, Lightwolf. That makes sense.

- Are you running all the buffs? (Well, obviously you only need to run the non-com where you need non-com.)

- You say, "Closeting shenanigans. No real reason for it this run, unlike most." regarding bowling balls. Why do you closet bowling balls?

~~- You say, "I don't banish the attorneys since I intend to lash them for free runs." What does that mean?~~
Figured out the writ thing. Kind of surprised that is worth using lash on. If you fail to get a writ one time it is equal to sending them on vacation, right? I mean vacation doesn't give stats, but from a turns spent perspective?

I think I need to play my next run while looking at this. Thank you for posting it! <3

lightwolf · Post by **lightwolf** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:31 am

Lash does work on bridge parts, its just that they have a lot of items.

ungawa · Post by **ungawa** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:00 am

scullyangel wrote:~~- You say, "I don't banish the attorneys since I intend to lash them for free runs." What does that mean?~~
Figured out the writ thing. Kind of surprised that is worth using lash on. If you fail to get a writ one time it is equal to sending them on vacation, right? I mean vacation doesn't give stats, but from a turns spent perspective?

Not quite, since the office building and apartment noncombats are scheduled. You need to fight 9(?) pygmies in the office building, so assuming you're not worried about getting enough files, every free run is a turn saved (minus whatever fraction of a powerlevelling turn the stats would have been worth).

scullyangel wrote:- You say, "Closeting shenanigans. No real reason for it this run, unlike most." regarding bowling balls. Why do you closet bowling balls?

As far as I know, the main reason to closet bowling balls is if you used a limited duration banish on one of the pygmies. You want to make sure you get all 5 bowling balls before the banish runs out. Not sure if that's the case in HC, but in SC, I usually use pantsgiving banish (30 turns) on the janitor, and then do the apartment and hospital before the bowling alley, so putting off the first four bowling noncombats gives some wiggle room to finish farming them before the janitor comes back.

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:09 am

scullyangel wrote:You said in chat I could ask all the bad questions. Please excuse the cluelessness that may be coming - your "turn bloat" run is like 60 turns less than my "as fast as I can go", so I'm looking to figure out what horrible habits I have and if there are things I simply don't know about.

- Did you push a button in the hatch before you started running in the lab? If yes, which one?

I pushed the ooze one (+150 ML to all) on turn 2-3. It's probably correct to push it on turn 0 (if you're doing CI), but I tend to be cautious about early +ML stuff.

- If you had gotten the keycard while on CI would you have nightcapped with a Highest Bitter?

Unlikely. I don't think the +item% saves many turns at that specific point in my run, and the drink is somewhat worse than meade (~1.5 turns not including the keycard turn). I may have put off drinking pilsner #4 in case the jungle juice would help powerleveling to 13 (which took precisely 0 turns this run), but I'd have to be either need to have a ton of extra turns (at least 7) or be massively underleveled (quite literally >2k mainstat below 13) to actually do that.

- How do you set your Ed crown?

It's generally set to +20ML with a few exceptions:

+2 myst/fight is used for several turns in CI until I have enough hp to survive the elemental hit at +100ML (~70 maxhp).
the blocking setting is used for bram and the ninja assassins out of laziness.
the +item% setting is used when I'm very close to capping drops or when I can't cap drops and want to pretend I can (+560% item ==> +570% item in a-boo peak, +260% ==> +270% in the nook, etc.)

I'm pretty sure that's it.

- Why the Beanbat instead of Batrat? Does it matter?

The beanbat has fewer items than the ratbats and batrats, so you have a higher chance to lash one (1/2 vs. 1/3 and 1/4). This is more important than the drop rate (to me) since it represents the chance that I get to not burn a renen or YR here. works

Comment: Literally? Lash doesn't work on bridge parts? FML. How can I not notice something like 20 lash attempts not working?

- Is there any hope for me if I failed to notice lash not working on bridge parts?

I've heard that it works (see above), but it takes soooo many lashes to get so few parts. Even with those parts, it'd take me until turn 21 to finish the bridge (regardless of whether I clover, too), so it would have saved literally nothing in my run. Even if you're on the edge of making a bridge and lash, say, 2 wood and 2 fastener total, that's spending something like 20 lashes to save ~2 turns; it's not terribly efficient when other options can save the same amount with fewer.

- Are you running all the buffs? (Well, obviously you only need to run the non-com where you need non-com.)

Yes. I run basically all of the buffs at almost all times. The only real exceptions are when trying to extend my inhaler with stone wool and letting purr drop when I'm running the priest for awhile.

- You say, "Closeting shenanigans. No real reason for it this run, unlike most." regarding bowling balls. Why do you closet bowling balls?

Closeted bowling balls don't trigger the bowling alley NC. My runs usually have a limited time banisher used on the orderlies and sometimes drunk (louder than bomb and/or champagne popper), which can run out if you're encountering the noncombats as you go. I also like to encounter my arrowed monsters in the desert or hidden apartment/office (or the sea if I'm trying to copy a LFM with green taffy), so being able to choose when I get the bowling ball NCs allows me to more easily manage the arrowed monster timing. Oh, sometimes there are considerations about limited buff duration, too, like if I'm running blue taffy and don't want to waste it on NCs. Basically there's almost always some small, nontrivial benefit to closeting the bowling balls, so I just do it out of habit even if it doesn't save anything in this particular instance.

- You say, "I don't banish the attorneys since I intend to lash them for free runs." What does that mean?

The short writ of habeas corpus is a free run when used on pygmies. It has a 1/3 chance to be lashed and a 5% base drop rate from lawyers. It's a pretty common strategy to just banish lawyers in most paths to make sure you don't get screwed by the RNG with thrice cursed and the McClusky file, but both of those are very easy to get in Ed (since you only need 1 shaman for thrice cursed with proper abuse of undying) and Ed has a very high chance to pickpocket the short writs.

I think I need to play my next run while looking at this. Thank you for posting it! <3

No problem! Thanks for taking the time to ask about it!

blisterguy · Post by **blisterguy** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:03 pm

yojimbos_law wrote:
[466-470] Oil Peak [81,210,60]
+> [466] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [467] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [468] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [469] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [470] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude, jar of oil
-> Turn [470] Belly-Dancer
lots of lashes with ~+220% item.

I though there was always a 100% crude, which would mean your lash is always going to hit that one anyway. Or am I just totally clueless as to how this works now?

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:38 pm

blisterguy wrote:
yojimbos_law wrote:
[466-470] Oil Peak [81,210,60]
+> [466] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [467] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [468] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude
+> [469] Got bubblin' crude x 3
+> [470] Got bubblin' crude, bubblin' crude, jar of oil
-> Turn [470] Belly-Dancer
lots of lashes with ~+220% item.
I though there was always a 100% crude, which would mean your lash is always going to hit that one anyway. Or am I just totally clueless as to how this works now?

As far as I know, lash doesn't care about the drop rate. It just forces a randomly selected pickpocketable item to drop (assigning equal probability to each such item, like v-pocket and rave steal do). In this case, it has a 1/3 chance of hitting the 100% crude, a 1/3 chance to hit the 30% one, and a 1/3 chance to hit the 10% one. If you math this out with, say, +220% item you see that I'd get 1 + 3.2*0.3 + 3.2 * 0.1 = 2.28 crude per turn without lash and 1/3*(1 + 3.2*0.3 + 3.2*0.1) + 1/3*(1 + 1 + 3.2*0.1) + 1/3*(1 + 3.2*0.3 + 1) = 2.52 crude per turn with lash, which is a pretty substantial improvement! Edit: it works out to 11.4 vs 12.6 crudes on average in the first 5 cartels.

This mechanism is what makes lash so powerful in many relevant situations. Things like the evil eyes, sonars, and most +ML/stat gear would be much more troublesome to force if it didn't work in this fashion.

scullyangel · Post by **scullyangel** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:24 am

Ok, going to try not to waste lashes!

I also didn't know about needing to hit a certain number of pygmys, so that all makes a lot more sense.

I have the pygmy orderlies in my ice house, that should be AMC Gremlin instead?

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:10 am

scullyangel wrote:Ok, going to try not to waste lashes!

I also didn't know about needing to hit a certain number of pygmys, so that all makes a lot more sense.

I have the pygmy orderlies in my ice house, that should be AMC Gremlin instead?

Dunno. I'm under the impression that both save ~2 turns in HCNP, so I imagine they're pretty much indistinguishable in HCEd, too.

ungawa · Post by **ungawa** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:13 am

scullyangel wrote:I also didn't know about needing to hit a certain number of pygmys, so that all makes a lot more sense.

I have the pygmy orderlies in my ice house, that should be AMC Gremlin instead?

Keep in mind it's the Office Building and Apartment noncombats that are scheduled to occur on fixed adventures in those subzones. The Hospital and Bowling Alley don't have any delay() type effect, so every orderly you encounter is a wasted turn.

playultm8 · Post by **playultm8** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:22 am

Keep in mind it's the Office Building and Apartment noncombats that are scheduled to occur on fixed adventures in those subzones. The Hospital and Bowling Alley don't have any delay() type effect, so every orderly you encounter is a wasted turn.[/quote]

That's true for AMC as well. Both can be banished easily in Ed, but only the orderlies have a potential free runaway (with writ). Since Ed should generate more writs on average than most runs, I suspect the balance is in favor of using Ice House on the AMC.

As a side note, the wealth of extra lash options in Ed might actually make dancer the better turn-cutting servant for level 12, assuming you've already used your imbues and you don't need to run scribe for stats during level 12. Freeing up 8 or more lashes for use earlier on tatters/writs/whatever might actually save more turns than a low level maid during nuns. I'll take a look before I start my 2-day attempts.

akerson · Post by **akerson** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:36 am

hi! Just a few questions from a noob. I noticed you didn't really use spells to attack, like ever. Do you just attack with your weapon repeatedly? Does lash kill them? What's your in-run gear look like other than whatever you pick up? Do you stick with staff of ed until lv11?

Kalefornya · Post by **Kalefornya** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:34 pm

sorry if this is obvious but--what's the benefit of running thoth all run?

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:44 pm

akerson wrote:hi! Just a few questions from a noob. I noticed you didn't really use spells to attack, like ever. Do you just attack with your weapon repeatedly? Does lash kill them?

Not including flyering, combat usually goes like this:

Scarab mp
if damaging the monster will kill it
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
kill the monster for 0 mp somehow
endif
if I can reduce the monster to dead or fist of the mummy range by just attacking and/or using the lovebug stench thing
start doing that
scarab mp
do that some more
scarab mp
finish doing that
skill fist of the mummy
endif
if neither method works
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
skill storm of scarabs
endif

Ed combat sucks so much.

Edit: it looks like I killed ~100 monsters by just attacking them to death, ~25 by mummy fisting + attacking, and ~350 with storm of scarabs.

What's your in-run gear look like other than whatever you pick up? Do you stick with staff of ed until lv11?

Unless I need an outfit, it looks like this:

Head: 'edpiece on +20ml
back: best +spell damage thing
shirt: goth shirt or highest DA thing
weapon: serpentine sword with shield > witty rapier > serpentine sword sans shield > curmudgel > ocarina of space > ed staff
offhand: snake shield > engorged sausages and you (actually happened to me 2 runs ago) > anything with mp regen > gore bucket (out of spite for it costing me a turn once).
pants: highest DA pants since I never get lucky enough for buoy bottoms or troll britches. Usually war pants > swash pants > boss bat pants > pantsless.
a1: astral belt
a2: whatever +ML thing I find (preferably badge of authority).
a3: bram's choker and xi wrist-puter situationally.

Kalefornya wrote:sorry if this is obvious but--what's the benefit of running thoth all run?

I don't actually know what that does. I imagine it's +myst or +spell damage, in which case, I run it to make things dead easier. Perhaps I could make things dead just as easily without it, but considering which buffs I need is much harder than just running a couple hundred turns of everything but shed at all times (being mindful of the 10 effect limit for stone wool for the nuns).

scullyangel · Post by **scullyangel** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:57 am

I cut 67 turns off my next best run!
Gonna try again.
Thank you so much for the help! <3

jireh · Post by **jireh** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:01 am

yojimbos_law wrote:
akerson wrote:hi! Just a few questions from a noob. I noticed you didn't really use spells to attack, like ever. Do you just attack with your weapon repeatedly? Does lash kill them?
Not including flyering, combat usually goes like this:

Scarab mp
if damaging the monster will kill it
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
kill the monster for 0 mp somehow
endif
if I can reduce the monster to dead or fist of the mummy range by just attacking and/or using the lovebug stench thing
start doing that
scarab mp
do that some more
scarab mp
finish doing that
skill fist of the mummy
endif
if neither method works
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
skill storm of scarabs
endif

Ed combat sucks so much.

Edit: it looks like I killed ~100 monsters by just attacking them to death, ~25 by mummy fisting + attacking, and ~350 with storm of scarabs.

Hi! I was about to ask how you survive combat but I saw this and I somehow got more confused. How do you do this? Because I die first round almost all the time at low levels. Also, what's the point of prolonging fights?

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:36 am

scullyangel wrote:I cut 67 turns off my next best run!
Gonna try again.
Thank you so much for the help! <3

Wow, that's really something! Congratulations on your 3/567!

jireh wrote:
yojimbos_law wrote:
akerson wrote:hi! Just a few questions from a noob. I noticed you didn't really use spells to attack, like ever. Do you just attack with your weapon repeatedly? Does lash kill them?
Not including flyering, combat usually goes like this:

Scarab mp
if damaging the monster will kill it
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
kill the monster for 0 mp somehow
endif
if I can reduce the monster to dead or fist of the mummy range by just attacking and/or using the lovebug stench thing
start doing that
scarab mp
do that some more
scarab mp
finish doing that
skill fist of the mummy
endif
if neither method works
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
dictionary for 30 rounds
scarab mp
skill storm of scarabs
endif

Ed combat sucks so much.

Edit: it looks like I killed ~100 monsters by just attacking them to death, ~25 by mummy fisting + attacking, and ~350 with storm of scarabs.

Hi! I was about to ask how you survive combat but I saw this and I somehow got more confused. How do you do this? Because I die first round almost all the time at low levels. Also, what's the point of prolonging fights?

Well, with CI the low levels really whiz by. Notice that I don't leave there for the first time until level 7 (probably should've for an earlier YR, but I'm really forgetful about that kind of thing) with 24 base moxie/muscle. I keep up hair spray and ben-gal balm for most of the run, too. Monsters that are approximately level-appropriate tend to kill me in 2 hits on day 1 before I purchase tougher skin (turn ~130 this run) and 2-3 hits afterwards, and on day 2, I purchase the +muscle and/or +moxie skills as soon as I enter the underworld after a monster hits me for more than my maxhp (happened in the top floor of the giant's castle). It's smooth sailing after that since torso's DA boost lets me survive several hits. I should also probably point out that I do a lot of damage arithmetic between adventuring; 1.25 * ( [monster attack] - [moxie] - [DR] ) * [DA fraction] gives a decently tight upper bound on monster damage, and the start of combat elemental damage hit from +ML can be estimated using this formula times 1.1 http://kolspading.com/forums/viewtopic. ... =436#p4788. I'm sorry in advance if using the latter formula gets you killed.

There are a couple benefits to drawing out fights, namely mp and ka (in addition to flyering and insulting). You want to fight every undead monster 3 times due to the 'edpiece's start of combat chance to give ka (it can happen multiple times/combat, last I played Ed), and whenever mp is marginally scarce, you want to cast love scarabs 3 times/combat. Letting the fight hit 30 rounds is often just the easiest way to do this. Oh, you also need to prolong combat when waiting for the bellydancer PP, but that's generally pretty quick.

vegso · Post by **vegso** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:19 am

how do you do nuns so quickly? I see you make the drink before it, do you also use the skill that exchanges KA for more meat drop? And anything else beyond that?
thanks

yojimbos_law · Post by **yojimbos_law** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:10 pm

vegso wrote:how do you do nuns so quickly? I see you make the drink before it, do you also use the skill that exchanges KA for more meat drop? And anything else beyond that?
thanks

Winklered, inhaler (extended with stone wool), airborne mutagen, the ka skill, the gnome +meat% passive, and whatever else I happen to find in run (e.g. acoustic guitarrr for +8%, sometimes). You could summon the +100% meat demon, but I'm pretty sure that's not really worthwhile; it costs a tattered scrap of paper and however long it takes to find 3 thin black candles and makes the nuns 3.7 turns shorter when added to the above setup. It's worthwhile if you know the forced NC in the top floor is due soon, where 'soon' is some number that would be difficult to compute without a simulation (it's at least 4, though).

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